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What is Open ID?

Open ID is a way of telling a site you want to interact with this is me, over here on this other site, so now that you know who I am, you'll let me comment or log in, or do whatever that site might allow for Open ID users. A lot of sites you might have an account with act as source sites for an Open ID. Livejournal, Dreamwidth, InsaneJournal and services like Yahoo! and Google are just some of many that have this function built right into the account you may already have with those providers.

You are likely familiar with Open ID if you read or post at Dreamwidth a lot. You will see Open ID names attached to imported comments, to new comments, and you've likely seen links to tutorials on setting up an Open ID account to use on Dreamwidth.

What you don't see as much of, especially not in fannish locations, is Open ID used on Livejournal. You will see a growing number of people commenting with their Twitter or Facebook account names, and the farther you get from transformative works fandom and into professional authors' journals or other kinds of fandom activity, the more likely you are to see that.

Using Open ID at Livejournal

You might have used Open ID already to comment on other blogging platforms, and if you have, you know that it often is as simple as filling in the name or URL of your Open ID source account and away you go. Using an Open ID account to comment on Dreamwidth, Livejournal or LJ clone sites is a little more complex than that.

Livejournal is set up, as you know, for account holders to use. You can look at lots of things on LJ without an account, or while not logged into your account, and you can even comment anonymously sometimes, but the site is optimized for account holders and commenting is built around and within the journal and account structure.

What a lot of people don't realize about using Open ID at Livejournal is the fact that you are not commenting with Open ID, you are commenting with an Open ID account at Livejournal that you have already set up. Livejournal doesn't really use that terminology and they use different forms and screens than they do for regular account creation, but in effect, Open ID accounts are just a level of account with their own sets of privileges and limitations along with the Basic (free) and the Paid Accounts.

Is an Open ID Account at Livejournal Right for You?

With an Open ID account at Livejournal, you can have a friends list, comment on entries, read replies in your inbox, have some icons, and set up a profile with a birth date to allow you access to age-restricted entries. What you don't get is a journal.

If you don't want to have a journal at LJ, but do want to interact there, Open ID might be the way to go. If anyone clicks on the user name next to your comments they will arrive at whatever source site you chose to create the Open ID around. (Clicking on the Open ID icon next to your user name takes a reader to your LJ profile for your Open ID account.) So, if you do all your blogging at Dreamwidth and you use it as the source site to create an Open ID account at LJ, readers of your comments there can find where your posts are with a single click.

This is why I use Open ID at Livejournal. Even though I still have a Basic account there, commenting with it leads readers to a mostly empty journal with a big sticky post telling former readers and friends where to find my fic. That's not very friendly to new acquaintences, so I'd rather link them directly to where they can read my current posts, like this one, with one click.

There are some limitations to using an Open ID account. Links you put in comments are treated just like links in anonymous comments and aren't clickable. You also cannot post to communities, you can only comment on entries and other comments. As of May 11, 2011, Open ID accounts can make posts to communities on Livejournal, making the option of using an Open ID account there a little more attractive.

ETA September 27, 2011: There is a known bug (but no known idea if it will get fixed) that prevents Open ID accounts that are members of communities from viewing members-only memories as they should be able to. If a community you follow uses the memories to organize information for members only, you might want to consider if this is a deal breaker.

How to Set Up an Open ID Account at Livejournal

If you want to have an Open ID account to use at Livejournal, the easiest approach is to make the account and chose your settings before you ever try to comment or post anywhere with the account.

1. Log in, in the same browser, to your account at Dreamwidth or wherever you want to source the Open ID account from.

2. Go to Livejournal and if you are logged in there to an existing account, log out. You should see a log in/account creations box like this:

Livejournal login box with input boxes for user name and password.  There is a Facebook and Twitter icon with a drop-down arrow beside it to the right of the log in button.

3. Do not try the Create an Account link. Look for the little drop-down arrow next to the Facebook and Twitter logos. Click it and you will see Open ID in the options. Click on that. You should be taken to a page with this form:

The Livejournal Open ID login screen with input boxes for your URL and tabs for logging in with other services.

Make sure the form is open to the Open ID tab.

4. Enter the URL of your source account. You must include the http:// part. Mine is http://facetofcathy.dreamwidth.org. Don't forget that Dreamwidth is a .org if you're using it as a source site. Click log in.

5. You should immediately be taken to a page on your source site (which is why I suggested you log into that site first) asking you to validate a request to use your identity from Livejournal.com. This is how the Open ID system makes sure only you can use your source site URLs to create identities elsewhere. It also means you don't have to think up and remember yet another password. If you pick Yes, always, you will always be auto validated in future. If you pick Yes, just this time, you will have to see this screen again the next time you want to use your Open ID account at Livejournal.

6. As soon as you click one of the Yes buttons, you can navigate to whatever journal or community you want to and if you click a reply link, the comment box will show your Open ID account as the logged in account. Don't rush in though, setting up your account first is a good idea.

7. Now that you've logged in, you can navigate to the Account Settings page page on Livejournal and fill in the account settings and provide an email address to allow notifications to be sent to you. This is all pretty much the same as setting up any account at LJ, or at any clone site for that matter. It is important to set up and validate (click the link in the email you receive) your email address if you want to use this account all the time for commenting. Some comment settings that users will put on their posts will only allow Open ID commenting if you have done this. You can do this from the Account tab on the account settings page. Doing this before you try to comment will make your life easier.

8. The rest of what you do with your new Open ID account is up to you. You can create a friends list if you like, and upload six icons if you want them available. You have a profile page you can fill in if you like.

9. In future, if you need to log into your Open ID account, don't try to use the regular log in box, click the log in with Open ID links which appear in different locations and forms depending on the page you're on. You can use the same one I showed you how to find that you created your account with. You will be taken to the same page you were in step 3. above.

Remember, when logging in to your Open ID account at Livejournal, you must be logged in, in the same browser, to your account at your source site. If you aren't, your log in attempt will take you to a page asking you to do so before it will let you into your LJ Open ID account.

And that's pretty much all there is to it. Once this is set up, you can browse, friend journals or communities, comment, read replies, you know--have fun.

Questions or comments are welcome. You may comment via Dreamwidth account, Open ID or anon.

Date: 2011-05-12 05:46 pm (UTC)
onyxlynx: The words "Onyx" and "Lynx" with x superimposed (Default)
From: [personal profile] onyxlynx
That explains so much; thanks!

Date: 2011-05-12 10:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] skaredykat
And it works (close to) the exact same way at Dreamwidth: don't have a DW invite code or don't think you'll be blogging there, but do want a Reading (like an LJ Friends) Page and to be able to comment non-anonymously on DW users' posts? Create a DW openID account with your LJ username.

(If at some point you decide to get a proper DW account, you will then have to go around and ask the DW users you asked to give you reading access for their f-locked posts with your openID account to (also or instead) give you reading access to your brandnew DW account. That is, if you don't want to keep having to log out of your full-on DW account and log back in with your openID DW account to see the flocked posts by DW user X and then back out and in to post your own stuff. Because you can't (I don't think) just transfer over reading access from an openID DW account to a full-fledged DW account.)

Date: 2011-05-13 02:12 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] moonbathe_skin
Thanks, that explains it very well, I had no idea you could do that!

Date: 2011-05-15 02:11 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jenwryn
Thanks for this! I've been using one now and then, but didn't want to irritate people (don't ask me, I don't even know). Thinking of it just the same as the way folks use it here at DW, though, means I now feel as though I have permission. So much better, as you say, to have people see my journal here, rather than the pretty unfriendly account over there!

Date: 2011-05-17 02:01 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ein_myria
Thanks for explaining the openid procedure, I just deleted my old journal and am using openid on LJ now! :)

Date: 2011-09-23 09:13 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] anotherslashfan
Thanks to the help you provided, I deleted my old lj account and created an Open ID account - and I love it! I think you'd be interested to know, however, that there is a bug that prevents Open ID users from fully using the memory feature of communities - that is to say, memories that are only viewable for members may not be displayed. I deal, but I hink it's a fact to add to your introduction.
I filed a support request and the bug is being worked on. Still, there's no info on when it might be resolved.
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